Bank of America started delaying direct deposits to compensate for a debit card fee fiasco
  • Bank of America delayed several of my recent direct payroll deposits by 3 days.  I have my payroll deposit split between two accounts - one BOA, and another one is at a credit union.  Bank of America credited 3 recent payroll deposit late by 3 days as compared to the credit union.  My employer, obviously, presented the payroll advice to both banks at the same time.  I went to BOA branch and requested an explanation.  While the branch manager was puzzled by the situation (when presented with documentation from another bank), their "official" investigation team stated that my employer advised them to post the deposit on that date - this is totally false. 
  • Your employer does not advise anyone what date to post something. Obviously you don't understand what was said to you. The only thing an investigation can veryify is the "effective entry date" your employer provided to the Fed for the transmission. It either came from your employer, or your employer's payroll processor (ADP, Ceridian, etc). It means the employer dictates the date he wants to be debited by his bank for the payroll and that is date banks post the funds to your account.
    The only thing ACH Services can verify is the effective entry date of the file that determines when the clearing house warehouse will release that file to BofA.

    You can research it with your employer who can trace the information though his bank and determine where the delays were. There are multiple handoffs for a payroll. From your employer to his payroll processor. From the payroll processor to your employer's bank. From your employers bank to the the local Fed clearing house. From them to the clearing house that delivers to BofA, and from BofA to your account. Any delay along the way can affect a payroll. Was it a 3 day weekend?
  • Bottom line:  B of A took 3 days longer.  Period.
  • And they are utterly unhelpful in helping the OP figure out why. There is no plausible scenario where an employer would delay a deposit of the same paycheck into one financial institution but not another. I call BoS BS.
  • ""...and the were UTTERLY unhelpful..." wah wah..blah blah...

    Both of you, are UTTERLY clueless about ACH processing. A bank cannot withhold an ACH deposit. Not intentionally. Under ANY circumstances. There can be processing delays along the way, and YES, it can post quicker at one institution than another. If the direct deposit credits accounts at the same bank where the employer banks then it by-passes ACH processing and is there the same day. If deposits go to different ACH clearing houses or if receiving banks by-pass an ACH clearing house and use a 3rd party processor to receive transactions there can be a delay to a particular institution due to different circumstances.

    On more than once occasion we've taken calls from the opposite perspective. Employers who do not bank at BofA calling ACH to find out why BofA employees got paid and some others at other banks didn't?
    The answer is with THEIR ACH ORIGNATING institution that can track a file, or any portion of a file from release from the originating source to receipt at any end-point--down to the "minute/second" of receipt. And the posting to the receiving account is instantaneous. There is no option for a receiving bank to delay an incoming direct deposit--they cannot legally do that and delayed direct deposits that are due to a bank error, would mandate refunds of any overdraft fees that were incurred on those accounts.

    This time of year, call after call comes in to our centers, and I listen in, and hear customers who call to see if their IRS REFUND was received. They all call on Wednesdays and Thursdays looking for direct deposits, and all our reps tell them the direct deposits are not in, and of course they say " Well I got me an email that told me they put it in my account today!" All of them!

    WRONG. The email says the direct deposit was "sent" or in some cases "deposited" on Feb 1. But banks don't get them until Friday Feb 3. Every year its the same scenario. Every year these same customers call and are told year after year "the IRS REFUNDS ONLY POST ON FRIDAYS" and every year it's the same thing. We direct them to the IRS website that actually has a schedule thats states when a direct deposit will be "sent" based on a tax filing date. They ALL want to escalate to a supervisor!

    You sit there and make the assumption that a scenario stated by an OP is correct and factual verbatim when for the most part, none of these customers can even articulate their issues nor correctly relate the events around their own issue. And they come here and another group of clueless wonders reply to them and make them feel they are correct and the bank is wrong!

    When clueless customers, who can't figure out that 100 + 100 = 200, have their concerns addressed by clueless lay persons here on this site, who have no idea at all about ACH procedures, or any process, they are being dealt a great disservice. These "clueless wonder" customers have enough issues of their own without others, out of the loop, giving inaccurate information and making assumptions that are not factual, wrong and misleading. None of you have that have replied on the majority of these issues have the expertise or knowledge or background to provide an answer that even has the semblance of accuracy.
  • I'm admittedly clueless concerning ACH processing, like I'm clueless concerning the function of a liver or clueless about civil process...that's why we have bankers, doctors and lawyers.  We live in a society in which we regularly defer to specialists in these matters.

    I don't have to be a specialist in order to determine if I'm satisfied as a customer.  No matter what calculus you use to explain why B of A is not to blame for the endless array of problems bemoaned here, I'm not satified by B of A in the end but I'm generally satisfied elsewhere.

     

  • Credit unions post prior to major banks, major banks have more customers and follow the date your employer wants to get debited. So If u get paid on friday, and ur credit union gives it to you thursday. Stop crying. Ur pay day is friday. Deal with it

  • The information xlovewaslovex is not entirely correct. Yes banks and credit unions MUST legally post your deposit to your account the date your employer specifies in the file header. There is no option other than this, because it is the LEGAL EFFECTIVE DATE. If they LEGALLY POST the deposit earlier they are in violation of NACHA Rules. That means they would have to settle with your employer bank earlier, and your employer ( unless he is a credit risk and on pre-fund ) does not have to fund that direct deposit until midnight of your pay day.

    Posting and availability are two completely different things. If you got paid Friday Feb 3, and on at 4:30am you looked online and saw your payroll "available" that doesn't mean it has posted. It means BofA (or any bank) has given you early availabilty of funds because they have a feed from the ACH warehouse that says you are getting paid. Banks get paid midnight Feb 3. So all banks float you an interest free loan and let you use your money throughout the day. Availabilty of funds for Friday, does NOT mean your deposit was there on Thursday and you can use it to cover items that come in on Thursday because it is not your legal effective date. If items come in on Thursday, and you don't have the money, you will get fees.

    Sometimes banks get early feeds and make funds "available" as a courtesy. My wife gets paid on Monday. All but $300 oes into our joint BofA Account. $300 goes to her local State Teaches Credit Union. This weekend her payroll dated for Monday showed up in our BofA Account as processing this morning (Sunday) but legally she will be paid on Monday. Her credit union account has no trace of anything yet. That in NO WAY means that her credit union has delayed her direct deposit--no it hasn't. It probably doesn't (for sure) process it's own items and whatever bank processes ACH for that credit union wont see a feed until after midnight for tomorrow.

    Other times the $300 is her credit union account as "processing" on a weekend and it has not appeared on the BofA side, and again it does NOT mean BofA has delayed it, it must means its on a later feed from the FED. Her legal payday is Monday, Feb 6, and no institutions are required to post them nor make them available any sooner than midnight Monday (Not Sunday). On days when her payday falls on a Tuesday through Friday, it shows at both BofA and the credit union around 4am of her payday as "Processing/Available". But as XlovewasloveX said, your payday is Friday--get over it and get over yourself, and there is your ACH 101 information.

    Interesting though, you state BofA delayed (LOL LOL) your direct deposit by 3 days to compensate for a credit card fiasco, and give absolutely no details about that--none! As for HALLECK stating he is ultimately satisfied someplace else, well, why state the obvious and be redundant. I pointed that out many, many posts ago, that BofA can proclaim the 2nd coming of Christ and give each American $1000 and you'd complain the bills were dated and wrinkled.
  • Heh. Too bad you didn't answer the phone when the OP called, because that was actually a plausible answer. What is the actual turnover rate in your call centers? Care to offer that up? A little "honesty" for the masses? I've heard a lot about all the training they receive, but no matter how much you train someone, it cannot compare to, for example, the knowledge you, yourself, have gained by sticking around and moving up the ranks. So how long does the average employee last in that job? How many people out of your entire rank and file front line staff do you replace in a year? in your best call center? in your worst? You can be proud of your customer service in theory, all the effort you make, and whatnot, but I'm telling you, in practice, it sucks.
  • Don't know what the rate is where BossMan is but in my center it isn't really that much. Right now there is a lot of hiring because BofA had let a lot of people go in my center--not due to layoffs--front line associates and those that deal with people on the phone or otherwise, don't get laid off. They get canned or its by attrition.

    Turnover hasn't been that great, its just that we were down by like 100 - 125 associates because people could not perform, could not take up their game and be aware of products and services and could not adhere to our guest standards of making customers feel like guests. They're friggin serious about that! But right now we've hired and supposedly are gonna do a lot of groups of 20 between now and April and it will be April or June before those get on the floor. Overtime was awesome, though! Ha! Ha!

    But if youre a team manager or unit manager like Boss may be, but have spent "all" your time in the call center and have not really moved around from production jobs, to operations, to even sales or product management (where is I want to go) you may not find out all that detailed information unless you deal with issues or like I do---don't try to transfer the call but stay on the phone and find out and do the leg work than come back to the customer. I learn that way. But we are supposed to do as much as we can and move on with the call because if everyone did what I do---stay online and do all the research our hold times would be upward of 30 mins on good day.

    I do it when it's slow, but we're supposed to know where to refer the person for the right answer and get the call to the area that will resolve it. We need to know what ACH does or what Mortgage Services does and where within that organization to get someone for something--(like a payoff request) we use Solution Center Online for a resource reference but no way in hell are we supposed to know the stuff someone at Boss' level does. He's probably done a lot of different things.

    As for how long someone lasts or how long they stay thats up to them. There are some little old ladies that love the phone and have been on the phone for a long time and don't want to do anything else, there are others like me that have done CEU and have been Quality Analysts and now I'm like a TEAM LEAD that offers resources to all the teams, and I've been there a little over 3 years. I would have shot myself in the head if I had to be on the phone 8 hours a day for more than a year; not because of the job but because of the truly stoooopid people on the phone!

    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's up to you to determine what your destiny within the Bank is.
  • "Don't know what the rate is where BossMan is..."

    Come on, you and Bossman are the same person.  Same syntax, misspellings, etc.  Sad and obvious. 

  • " its just that we were down by like 100 - 125 associates because people could not perform, could not take up their game and be aware of products and services and could not adhere to our guest standards of making customers feel like guests."

    But I thought you only hire the best and brightest! This is where you have to admit there are flaws in the system, and by system, I mean the attempt to supersize service. You can badmouth me all you want. I know what you think of me. The fact is I was a customer of two institutions at a time in my life when I was in school, in a foreign country, and I couldn't pay all of my bills on time. I am still with one institution and not with the other. Guess which one I left. Hint: it wasn't the one that transferred me 3 times within the same call and still didn't solve or even properly explain my problem.
  • There are about 15 centers in the country with about 700 associates in each. Thats almost 11,000 associates on the phone. Not everyone is going to be up to par, regardless if they were impressive during an interview, regardless of their past experience, and regardless of the 6 weeks of training. When they are on the phone 8 hours a day--five days a week--it's a lot different than anything they've done in customer service before, and it can get to the best of them.

    BofA looks for consistency in the majority. Sure you can have a bad call, and maybe lose it a bit, but if that call is heard and 10 of your other calls are listened to randomly, and you're consistent with whats expected of you, well even Joe Biden was caught whispering in Obama's ear "this is F-ing BIG!" Right?

    And I'm sure you didn't get transferred 3 times every time you called. Transfers are a no-no, they count against your availability and they coun't against your handle time, but a HUGE majority of transfers are because customers do NOT know how to articulate their problems, they have no clue what type of accounts they have, and they have no clue on how to help themselves get the service they need.

    They call their debit card a credit card becasue they have a Visa logo. They'd call and say they need to talk about their credit card but they would be calling checking/savings. I'd ask them if it was a debit card or a credit card and again they'd say credit. I'd ask them what type of accounts they'd have and they'd say ONE a debit account, then I'd go through the process of asking them for their card number and they'd say they didnt have it. Their account number? They didn't have it. Then I'd ask for their social, verify them and yes they had a checking account with a debit card, and a credit card. Then I'd ask them to tell me the dollar amount of the transaction--most of the time its ball park to them, and THEN i can finally tell by looking at both cards what card they were talking about. In the meantime 5 minutes have gone by and my stomach is in a knot! Why? Because they are troooly stooopid.

    Not everyone is gonna probe as deep as I did--nor are they required to. But I wanted my calls to be listened to as "above and beyond" so I always went the extra mile. But, if you ask a customer 2-3 times what type of account it is and the tell you credit-adamantly, then get them to credit. When they get there, they won't have the credit card and be transferred back--then say CREDIT to someone else and go back to credit! I mean come on!

    I've transferred customers over and have told them exactly what to ask for and what to say--since we weren't supposed to do that many warm transfers in our gate, and I'd tell them, "leave out all the details-just say A, B and C," and I'd listen in for a bit and 9 times out of 10, they started the whole story all over again, told the rep they had been transferred 2-3 times and AGAIN could not explain their own issues. I finally took a "to hell with them attitude," told them I need to get the to a specialist in credit card or mortgage and let them fend for themselves once they got transferred because I could not baby sit and hand hold 90 - 100 calls a day! Nor would I want to!

    Regardless of the vetting, or their work history, or how they come across in the multiple interviews or how well the do in class, being on the floor "live" is just something some people can't handle.
  • You were down 125 people because they couldn't handle being on the floor "live." And that was just your center. Multiply that by 15 centers and that's 1800 people handling call after call during their shift, and that's just the ones that were bad enough to get shown the door. Not the ones that had one bad call in 10.

    I get that banking has changed and not all of the public is bright enough to keep up. We are talking about America. Our schools are terrible. We have an illiteracy rate on par with the People's Republic of Belize. And we're talking about Bank of America, the McBank of America. So common, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one. Of course, you are going to get all the people who don't give any thought to what they do with their money. You will, by definition, be dealing with a self-selected lower end of the population, and you will more often be dealing with them on the phone, because they will be getting themselves into more trouble with problems that they don't understand. 

    But that's not me. You know that's not me. I called because I was locked out of online banking. I got transferred twice, ended up at tech support, was told it was fixed, and still didn't get online, because the problem, it turned out, wasn't technical in nature. Then I called back. I was trying to make a payment. That's why I was trying to get online in the first place. But I was late, so I was shut out. This CSR was at least bright enough to identify the problem. When you're late you get locked out of web banking. Well this was the first time this ever happened to me at any institution, so I wouldn't know. So, I told her, "well that's kind of stupid, don't you think?" In my mind the bank had created another barrier to payment. Forcing me to pay over the phone or risk a check getting lost in the mail and arriving even later. I was expecting her to say something like, "well, they do it because something, something that makes it seem like the bank is doing you a favor." Instead she said, "not really, you're the one who was late." I wasn't arguing about fees. I didn't even ask about fees. I just wanted to pay my bill in peace, and not get charged an extra $15 to pay by phone. 

    So, no, I didn't get transferred every single time, but I'm just getting started with all of the bad contacts that I've had, beginning with the first time I called after the MBNA acquisition. I was calling because my wallet had been stolen, and I needed to report the card and get a new one. I was transferred several times. Had to call back to a different number (I had called the "missing or stolen" number from MBNA.) I never did get the card, and I'm pretty sure they closed the account that day. I called other times to order cards, was told it was all arranged, and never received one. I never had in my hand a BoA credit card. I paid off the balance, and that was it.

    But let me tell you about the one memorably good and helpful call. It was toward the end of my education, and admittedly I was in some financial trouble. I wouldn't call it deep, because it was still only about $6000 in credit card debt split between two cards. I make plenty of money now, as I knew I would, and I have no credit card debt. One of those temporary difficulties that most people have in life. One helpful representative transferred me to some special program for people who were having trouble paying their bills. This awesomely helpful person took all my information, figured out what I could afford to pay each month, and gave me a new deal with a 5% interest rate and no penalties, then took my first payment and signed me up for recurring automatic payments. AWESOME, RIGHT?

    Well, I thought so, until my statements started coming. Each statement after that said that I was one payment behind. Impossible, right? I'm in this new program. Automatic payments! I dutifully called, first the main number where they agreed, "yep, you're behind." Then the number of the special program, where I was told, "no, that's just a mistake, don't worry about it." I called for three months in a row, then I decided to take a leap of faith, and just believe. Then, as luck would have it. My auto payments expired. She only booked so many of them, and I thought I remembered March, but they ran out in February. I received the statement. It now said I was two payments behind. Now, keep in mind, I never missed a payment until now. I am not more than 30 days behind by my records, and shouldn't be by their records, but nonetheless... It remains my only 30+ missed payment in the year 2009 on my credit report. I've tried many times to call and reason with them, to no avail. I will never know why the other people I spoke with in the "special" payment department could see it, and everyone else after that could not. 

    You can say I should be grateful. Without the special payment program perhaps I would have gotten into worse trouble, but the bottom line is that multiple mistakes were made, and then compounded by other mistakes, by multiple people whom, by your account, hardly ever make mistakes, and there is no way for me to break through the fortress of BoA and find someone to do the research and solve it. There is only one other company on earth that I have had this kind of terrible experience with, and that's Comcast. I don't do business with them anymore, either.

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